Why would a place get 2.5 Reviews? I'll tell you.
In the heart of Jyv�skyl�, there is a little area called Toivolon Vanha Piha. It opened up again to customers last year (2012) and has been quite successful. There are little shops, a black smith on site, a small house that you can tour (be sure to cover your feet with the blue plastic covers!), a yarn shop called TitiTyy (the name is after the sound of a bird call), and a caf� called Kahvila Muisto.
I was there once this past summer (2013) with a friend and it was lovely being able to sit outside, knit, chat and have a cup of tea and a pastry!
The unique thing about Kahvila Muisto is that the wait-staff take your order from the table - you don't order, get your food then go sit down like at many coffee shops in Finland.
And they also serve alcohol.
Anyways - my friend and I heard many great things about this place and thought we would go. She had been there once and thought she could go again - and since TitiTyy is nearby - we could pop into the yarn shop beforehand. So we did just that, bought a skein of yarn each, grabbed a table in the sunshine and waited.
And waited...and waited for a waiter(ess). I think we waited about 10-15 minutes just to place an order - granted it was summer and busy. It took awhile for our food to arrive and we had to ask for our water again a couple times...again - a bit of a wait to get our bills - but overall - a nice place.
In JKL, we've started a handicraft group that meets weekly and you don't even have to have any experience at all! We're of all different levels and backgrounds (it's mostly foreigners-based) and eager for new members to join us!
We decided that we would meet up at Kahvila Muisto (without reservations as it was a Thursday evening) and I arrived first to grab our table.
I managed to score the biggest one there - that holds about 10 people comfortably and told the waiter that there were more of us coming. He said no problem and shortly after that - one person came.
More were on their way and I was getting confirmations on Facebook that the snow was slowing people down a bit - but they were definitely on their way.
My friend and I were looking at the menu and un-packing our bags of knitting and then the waiter comes back and asks us to move tables because in an hour there was going to be a big event of about 50 people (maybe he said "15"? Because I don't think that 50 would have fit in there anyways considering most small tables were taken).
There was no reservation sign on our table we had - but we figured okay - we'll move over and across the room - to a table that comfortably holds 6...when we reminded the waiter that more were coming - he apologized and said it was not a problem for a waitress to bring another chair.
So that's what we ended up doing - and the waitresses looked like they were THRILLED to be asked every 10-15 minutes to bring another chair.
Because in the end there were 9 or 10 of us, we were crowded too close together and it was a little difficult to do any crafts because we were constantly elbowing each other for the most part. And it was kind of dark on that side of the room too!
We heard one short speech from this "party of about 50" people...and they were in a side room anyways...and I don't think there was ANYONE at that big table at all. Nor did we hear a gaggle of 50 people...and nor would we be that loud that we would trump a group of 50 either.
It's not like we were having debates or improv group meeting..or board games...no - we were knitting.
Then when I spoke to a friend of mine - who belongs to a different knitting group in JKL (don't ask me the name of it- I don't remember) - she told me they had horrible experiences at KM because the owner requested that they take their knitting group elsewhere, especially on a Saturday, because other people pay to have their coffees there. Perhaps they should've made a reservation - but at the same time - people cancel last minute (with or without notice) or people join last minute...so it's always a hit or miss with reservations.
It sounded to me (this is where the "0.5" part of the 2.5 comes in - as I wasn't present) - as if the owner didn't appreciate these regular customers who do nothing but buy food and drinks (refills included!) - because they also happened to bring their knitting too.
Then I happened to meet another member of this group - one of the head hunchos I guess - and she confirmed this story.
The owner of Titityy was very apologetic about the whole thing - but the owner of KM? Not so much. And this group even met in the summer up to 4x a week AT Kahvila Muisto!!!
Considering that Kahvila Muisto even charges 0,50� (50 cents) a glass of water - yep, even for customers who already ordered something - I'm shocked you would turn away customers that are not just drinking water because it's the cheapest item on your menu. And at 4x a week?!
AND new customers whenever friends or family visit and want to try somewhere new?!
Oh and here's the thing about running a small business in a small city - word spreads like wild fire.
I don't expect Kahvila Muisto to shut down overnight because I wrote this review or to even see this - maybe they will - stranger things have happened!
But from a customer service-experienced and a could've been a regular customer's point of view - you're going to lose a lot of customers from kicking out a knitting group or two.
One last point these ladies noted to me about their observations from being in KM on any day of the week:
"Quite often there are other customers there with a single cup of coffee and maybe a pastry (no refills or other purchases) and talk with their friends for a much longer time than we are there for...they aren't knitting or crocheting...nor do they get asked to leave."
After thinking out loud on Facebook about whether or not to blog about this - a couple friends wrote on my status things like:
"Nice place but un-professional service!"
(I.e: long waiting times, forgetting orders, wrong bills, different staff and they were acting confused or nervous..."We thought we were on Candid Camera ..." - Guess it was bad.)
"Sounds so familiar..."
I hate to sound corny - but Kahvila Muisto is not really my cup of tea anymore at all.
In the heart of Jyv�skyl�, there is a little area called Toivolon Vanha Piha. It opened up again to customers last year (2012) and has been quite successful. There are little shops, a black smith on site, a small house that you can tour (be sure to cover your feet with the blue plastic covers!), a yarn shop called TitiTyy (the name is after the sound of a bird call), and a caf� called Kahvila Muisto.
I was there once this past summer (2013) with a friend and it was lovely being able to sit outside, knit, chat and have a cup of tea and a pastry!
The unique thing about Kahvila Muisto is that the wait-staff take your order from the table - you don't order, get your food then go sit down like at many coffee shops in Finland.
And they also serve alcohol.
Anyways - my friend and I heard many great things about this place and thought we would go. She had been there once and thought she could go again - and since TitiTyy is nearby - we could pop into the yarn shop beforehand. So we did just that, bought a skein of yarn each, grabbed a table in the sunshine and waited.
And waited...and waited for a waiter(ess). I think we waited about 10-15 minutes just to place an order - granted it was summer and busy. It took awhile for our food to arrive and we had to ask for our water again a couple times...again - a bit of a wait to get our bills - but overall - a nice place.
In JKL, we've started a handicraft group that meets weekly and you don't even have to have any experience at all! We're of all different levels and backgrounds (it's mostly foreigners-based) and eager for new members to join us!
We decided that we would meet up at Kahvila Muisto (without reservations as it was a Thursday evening) and I arrived first to grab our table.
I managed to score the biggest one there - that holds about 10 people comfortably and told the waiter that there were more of us coming. He said no problem and shortly after that - one person came.
More were on their way and I was getting confirmations on Facebook that the snow was slowing people down a bit - but they were definitely on their way.
My friend and I were looking at the menu and un-packing our bags of knitting and then the waiter comes back and asks us to move tables because in an hour there was going to be a big event of about 50 people (maybe he said "15"? Because I don't think that 50 would have fit in there anyways considering most small tables were taken).
There was no reservation sign on our table we had - but we figured okay - we'll move over and across the room - to a table that comfortably holds 6...when we reminded the waiter that more were coming - he apologized and said it was not a problem for a waitress to bring another chair.
So that's what we ended up doing - and the waitresses looked like they were THRILLED to be asked every 10-15 minutes to bring another chair.
Because in the end there were 9 or 10 of us, we were crowded too close together and it was a little difficult to do any crafts because we were constantly elbowing each other for the most part. And it was kind of dark on that side of the room too!
We heard one short speech from this "party of about 50" people...and they were in a side room anyways...and I don't think there was ANYONE at that big table at all. Nor did we hear a gaggle of 50 people...and nor would we be that loud that we would trump a group of 50 either.
It's not like we were having debates or improv group meeting..or board games...no - we were knitting.
Then when I spoke to a friend of mine - who belongs to a different knitting group in JKL (don't ask me the name of it- I don't remember) - she told me they had horrible experiences at KM because the owner requested that they take their knitting group elsewhere, especially on a Saturday, because other people pay to have their coffees there. Perhaps they should've made a reservation - but at the same time - people cancel last minute (with or without notice) or people join last minute...so it's always a hit or miss with reservations.
It sounded to me (this is where the "0.5" part of the 2.5 comes in - as I wasn't present) - as if the owner didn't appreciate these regular customers who do nothing but buy food and drinks (refills included!) - because they also happened to bring their knitting too.
Then I happened to meet another member of this group - one of the head hunchos I guess - and she confirmed this story.
The owner of Titityy was very apologetic about the whole thing - but the owner of KM? Not so much. And this group even met in the summer up to 4x a week AT Kahvila Muisto!!!
Considering that Kahvila Muisto even charges 0,50� (50 cents) a glass of water - yep, even for customers who already ordered something - I'm shocked you would turn away customers that are not just drinking water because it's the cheapest item on your menu. And at 4x a week?!
AND new customers whenever friends or family visit and want to try somewhere new?!
Oh and here's the thing about running a small business in a small city - word spreads like wild fire.
I don't expect Kahvila Muisto to shut down overnight because I wrote this review or to even see this - maybe they will - stranger things have happened!
But from a customer service-experienced and a could've been a regular customer's point of view - you're going to lose a lot of customers from kicking out a knitting group or two.
One last point these ladies noted to me about their observations from being in KM on any day of the week:
"Quite often there are other customers there with a single cup of coffee and maybe a pastry (no refills or other purchases) and talk with their friends for a much longer time than we are there for...they aren't knitting or crocheting...nor do they get asked to leave."
After thinking out loud on Facebook about whether or not to blog about this - a couple friends wrote on my status things like:
"Nice place but un-professional service!"
(I.e: long waiting times, forgetting orders, wrong bills, different staff and they were acting confused or nervous..."We thought we were on Candid Camera ..." - Guess it was bad.)
"Sounds so familiar..."
I hate to sound corny - but Kahvila Muisto is not really my cup of tea anymore at all.